51% Rule Canada

[Rpellicciotti]

FAA order 8130.2 contains a checklist form (FAA form 8800-38) that a MIDO is to use for evaluation of a kit for compliance to the 51% rule. It is my understanding that if a kit is evaluated and approved on the FAA list, then Canada accepts it as well. Here is a link to the order:

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guida ... enDocument

You could use this form to help assure yourself that the kit is compliant (based on experience, I am sure that it is) and also give your MIDO equivalent a leg up when you present your project to him.

Rick Pellicciotti

[dante]

Hi, quote the same type of contact with my local MDRA, friendly and very helpful.

For what I read on the kit, I'm sure that the kit will qualify for 51%.

Tank you for your reply.

At this time, any Canadians have order the Panther kit?

[Dave_091]

It's been a while, sorry.

I've been busy with a newborn.

I contacted my local MDRA and he said to send in the paperwork for the intent to build. There shouldn't be any problems when building this kit.

Also, my local MDRA has talked to Dan and it seems they are working together to get the aircraft on some type of 51% list.

But (in the meantime), the MDRA said send in the appropriate paperwork and start building the kit! Just don't fully cover any areas that can't be inspected for the pre-cover inspection. Otherwise the skins would have to be removed in order to do the pre-cover inspection.

Hope this helps any fellow Canadians

Also, don't hesitate to contact the MDRA. I called them for the first time and they are a friendly and very helpful bunch of people!

[dante]

Hi every one,

I am very interested on the Panther Sport, I contact my local MD-RA inspector and he suggest to filled the 51% inspection form. So I did. And for what I can see, the kit would past the 51% marks.

Does any fellow Canadian had order the kit or contact there MD-RA representative?

I would be interested to get there comment on the subject.

Daniel

[Dave_091]

Wow, thanks for the quick reply!

I will contact the MD-RA here in Canada and find out exactly what needs to be done.

Are there other Canadian builders here? If so, what route did you take when building your panther.

Thanks again for the quick reply,

Cheers

[danweseman]

Dave (And others)
To date , we have spent virtually no time on 51% approval in US or getting the OK to build in other countries. We made the commitment to stay the course the best we knew how and not invest anytime into this until we have the Kit production and documentation finished (we it may never be finished but ...) Also We have not had what is needed for Kit "evaluation" in the past so it wasn't even something we could consider(you must have the entire kit ,including all levels of prebuilt parts etc ready for inspection ). In the coming months we will have what's needed in place and we will see what makes sense. I think we are leaning toward having the Panther LS and S models evaluated by the NEKET in the US .As I understand from talking with other Canadian builders ,If on US 51% it would allow you to build in Canada? We have been busier than ever trying to sweep up final parts and documentation for the Panther ,and while not quite there were are making steady progress. Hope this helps

[Tony Spicer]

Dave,

I suspect Dan will see your post and respond.

To contact SPA, use this link: http://flywithspa.com/ then click on 'contact us'.

Tony

[Dave_091]

So I did some research into the 51% rule in Canada.

What has to happen is the kit/plans must be inspected by a MDR-A representative in Canada.

Here is a clip from a COPA Document in Canada for Amature build aircraft:

"All aircraft, whether built from plans or a kit, are still required to meet the Major Portion (51%) rule. This can only be demonstrated in two ways:
 Confirm that the kit is on the joint FAA/TC Listing Of Amateur-Built Aircraft Kits, in which case it is considered to meet the rule or
 Have MD-RA complete a Major Portion determination for the project (there is a fee of $395 plus tax, for this service)"

furthermore

"This means that any aircraft that is not on the list must have a Major Portion determination – no exceptions. Even if an identical kit has previously been assessed, if it is not on the list then your kit will also have to be assessed as each project is unique. Complaints about this problem should be directed to the kit manufacturer as it is up to them to request a Major Portion (at least 51%) determination of the kit. Once that is done and the kit is on the list, builders will no longer have to pay for Major Portion (at least 51%) determinations on each kit."

Does anyone know if Dan has done this so that us Canadians can build his aircraft?

If he does have it done then I will order the tail jit this week

Can someone pass this message on to Dan? I am not quite sure how to email him.